Friday 3 August 2018

real analysis - What is $lim_{ntoinfty} root{2n+1} of {-1} ?$



First of all, I'm sorry if this question has been already asked and answered, as far as I searched, I couldn't find such a question on this site.
So, I've been thinking about the limit of the sequence $\left(\root{2n+1}\of{-1}\right)_{n\geq 0}$. Since the order of the root is odd for every $n$, this sequence, is obviously a constant sequence with the general term $a_n = -1$. So, from this follows that $$ \lim_{n\to\infty} \root{2n+1}\of{-1} = -1 $$.
We can even do an $\epsilon-N$ proof to show this (and it's realy easy actually): $$ \forall \epsilon > 0 \hspace{0.5cm} \exists N \geq 0 \hspace{0.3cm} \text{s.t.} \hspace{0.3cm} \left|\root{2n+1}\of{-1}+1\right|<\epsilon \hspace{0.5cm} \forall n \geq N \\ \left|\root{2n+1}\of{-1} + 1\right| = \left|-1 + 1\right| = 0 < \epsilon \hspace{0.5cm} \forall n \geq 0 \\ N = 0 \ _\blacksquare $$.




However, if we use tehniques ussualy used for solving limits, we end up with a different result:
$$ \begin{align*}
\lim_{n\to\infty} \root{2n+1}\of{-1} &= \lim_{n\to\infty} (-1)^{1\over 2n+1} \\
&= \left(\lim_{n\to\infty}-1\right)^{\lim_{n\to\infty}{1\over 2n+1}} \\ &= (-1)^0 \\ &= 1 \end{align*} $$
.



What is wrong here? Why do the two methods give different results?



Edit: To make everything clear, I'm assuming the real root as defined by $\root n \of {} : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ for odd $n$ and treating this as a real-analysis problem. Also, it's pretty explicit from my question that I'm working with a sequence and not with a function. The limit only goes through natural values of $n$




Edit 2: I've figured it out. Thank you all for your answers esspecially to @Jack who pointed out the theorem I've been using $\lim_{n\to\infty}(a_n^{b_n}) = (\lim_{n\to\infty} a_n)^{(\lim_{n\to\infty} b_n)}$ is not true in general. I've consulted my textbook again and saw that I've missed the part where they said $a_n > 0, \forall n \in \mathbb{N}$. Of course, we can think of this problem also from the viewpoint of functions and the fact that the function $(-1)^x$ is not continuous is another gap in using something like the above theorem. Thank you all again for being so kind and giving me so many answers.


Answer



Your expression $\sqrt[2n+1]{-1}$ (for any nonnegative integers $n$) is defined to be, as you stated in the post, the unique real number $y$ such that $y^{n+1}=-1$. Since by your definition, $\sqrt[2n+1]{-1}=-1$, there is no doubt that
$$
\lim_{n\to\infty}\sqrt[2n+1]{-1}=\lim_{n\to\infty}(-1)=-1.
$$



There is no problem for the limit itself.



What goes wrong here is in your second "method":





if we use techniques usually used for solving limits, we end up with a different result:
$$ \begin{align*}
\lim_{n\to\infty} \root{2n+1}\of{-1}
&= \lim_{n\to\infty} (-1)^{1\over 2n+1} \\
&= \left(\lim_{n\to\infty}-1\right)^{\lim_{n\to\infty}{1\over 2n+1}} \\
&= (-1)^0 \\ &= 1 \end{align*} $$
.





The following step is problematic:
$$
\lim_{n\to\infty} (-1)^{1\over 2n+1}
= \left(\lim_{n\to\infty}-1\right)^{\lim_{n\to\infty}{1\over 2n+1}}
$$



What you use here is
$$
\lim_{n\to\infty}{a_n}^{b_n}=(\lim_{n\to\infty}a_n)^{(\lim_{n\to\infty}b_n)} \tag{1}
$$


where $a_n=-1$ is the constant sequence and $b_n=\frac{1}{2n+1}$. But (1) is NOT true in general.






[Added]
In real analysis, one rarely writes expression like $a^b$ for $a\leq 0$ and arbitrary real number $b$, unless one specifically defines such expression for some particular $a$ and $b$. For instance, you define $(-1)^{1/n}$ for only $n$ being an odd positive integer and let $(-1)^{1/n}$ be the unique number $y$ such that $y^{n}=-1$. In such situation, $(-1)^{1/n}$ is nothing but the real number $-1$.



One definition for the expression $a^b$ with $a>0$ and $b\in\mathbb{R}$ is $e^{b\ln a}$. And one has the following statement





Suppose $\{a_n\}$ is a positive sequence of real numbers such that $\lim_{n\to \infty}a_n=a$. Assume in addition that $\{b_n\}$ is a real sequence with $\lim_{n\to\infty}b_n=b$. Then
$$
\lim_{n\to \infty}a_n^{b_n}=\lim_{n\to \infty} e^{b_n\ln a_n}=\lim_{n\to\infty}e^{b\ln a}=a^b.
$$




If one does want to consider the expression $a^b$ for negative real number $a$, then one would




  • either stick to the definition for the some specific $a$ one has,



  • or unavoidably talk about the complex logarithm. See also this Wikipedia article.



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