Saturday, 27 July 2013

calculus - Relation between real roots of a polynomial and real roots of its derivative



I have this question which popped in my mind while solving questions of maxima and minima.
First Case:Let f(x) be an n degree polynomial which has r real roots.

Using this can we say anything about the number of real roots of f(x)?



Second Case:Suppose, f(x) has all n real roots. Then will all of its derivatives also have all real roots?



Also, if any of its derivatives do not have all real roots, then will f(x) also have not all real roots?
If the above is true then what about its converse?



Comment Case:For the third case:Suppose f'(x) is a 5 degree polynomial with 3 real roots.Then f(x) will be a 6 degree polynomial.(correct me if I am wrong).What are the possible no. of roots that f(x) can have(3,4,5 etc.?).Basically I am asking for an example.Also it would be great if you follow all cases with an example like in the 4th case.


Answer



First case: If the number of real roots r of f(x) is greater than one, then f(x) has at least r1 real roots. (The limitation "greater than one" is not necessary but the statement is trivial if r1.) Given any two roots $a


There may be more roots of f(x) than those between roots of f(x), so the only upper bound is the obvious one of n1. Ask if you need examples. It seems to me that if multiplicity is taken into account that the number of real roots of f(x) has the same parity (even/odd) as the number of real roots of f(x), but I haven't proven it yet. If multiplicity is not taken into account, the parity can be anything.



Second case: If f(x) has degree n and has n real roots, then each consecutive pair of roots of f(x) defines a root of f(x), which makes n1 roots of f(x). Since f(x) is a polynomial of degree n1, this is all possible roots. This continues for all later derivatives, so you are correct: all its derivatives will have all real roots.



Third case: The contrapositive of the second case tells us that if any of its derivatives have any non-real roots, then f(x) also has some non-real roots.



Fourth case: The converse of the third case is not true. For example, f(x)=x2+1 has two non-real roots, but its derivative f(x)=2x has one real root.



Comment case: You asked, "Suppose f(x) is a 5 degree polynomial with 3 real roots. What are the possible no. of roots that f(x) can have(3,4,5 etc.?)."




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The formulas for f(x) and f(x) are given in the diagram, where C is a real constant, zero in the graph. You can see that f(x) is a degree 5 polynomial with 3 real roots.



The dashed horizontal lines show the possible number of real roots of f(x) for varying values of C. There are 0 real roots for C=3, 1 real root for C.2.638, 2 real roots for C=1, 3 real roots for C1.757, and 4 real roots for C=1.9. My discussion for the first case shows that there cannot be more than 4 real roots since f(x) has 3 real roots.


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