Wednesday, 28 September 2016

number theory - Are there/Why aren't there any simple groups with orders like this?



The orders of the simple groups (ignoring the matrix groups for which the problem is solved) all seem to be a lot like this:




2^46 3^20 5^9 7^6 11^2 13^3 17 19 23 29 31 41 47 59 71 


starts with a very high power of 2, then the powers decrease and you get a tail - it's something like exponential decay.



Why does this happen? I want to understand this phenomenon better.



I wanted to find counter-examples, e.g. a simple group of order something like




2^4 3^2 11^5 13^9


but it seems like they do not exist (unless it slipped past me!).



We have the following bound |G|(|G|pk)! which allows 32114 but rules out orders like 32115, 32116, .. while this does give a finite bound it is extremely weak when you have more than two primes, it really doesn't explain the pattern but a much stronger bound of the same type might?



I also considered that it might be related to multiple transitivity, a group that is t-transitive has to have order a multiple of t!, and e.g. 20! =



2^18 3^8 5^4 7^2 11 13 17 19



which has exactly the same pattern, for reasons we do understand. But are these groups really transitive enough to explain the pattern?


Answer



I am posting the following counterexample to the question, as requested by caveman in the comments.



The Steinberg group 2A5(792) has order
22334567211113343179156411109113121161632.



There are other counterexamples, too. For example 2A9(472) has order

243313527311113217223531137147456119711033369115881114621125153197345911794703147780212.



I would guess there are infinite counterexamples, but the numbers (of course) get very very large!


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